VP Debate Reaction Thread (by G.A.)

George here, co-president of the College Dems this year.

I’m now live-blogging, let’s make this post a sort of message board.

I have about 60 minutes of battery life… Palin looks nervous.

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54 Responses to “VP Debate Reaction Thread (by G.A.)”


  1. 1 George October 2, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    Palin seems more comfortable now…

  2. 2 George October 2, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    Biden seems to be giving a more heady answer to the regulation question while Palin is making more of an emotional appeal.

  3. 3 George October 2, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Can Palin talk about deregulation?

  4. 4 George October 2, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    that jab about not being able to connect with the moderator is deeply troubling to me… McCain/Palin’s war against “the liberal media” anyone?

  5. 5 George October 2, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    The question was about the mortgage crisis, not energy…

  6. 6 George October 2, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    Palin: drill, baby drill!

  7. 7 George October 2, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    thank you, Mr. Biden for debunking “drill baby drill”

  8. 8 George October 2, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    Palin does not answer any legal questions…

  9. 9 George October 2, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    Overall impressions: Palin is doing well within the frame of reference of the expectations game…

  10. 10 George October 2, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    Andrew Sullivan nails it: Biden is just warming up.

  11. 11 George October 2, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    10:03 PM … Didn’t Palin just get the name wrong of our Army commander in Afghanistan. His name is David D. McKiernan. Who’s the McClellan she was talking about? She pretty clearly misstated what he said, but she seems not even to know who he is.

  12. 12 George October 2, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    quick fact check. Biden got that wrong. It’s article 2 of the constitution…

  13. 13 George October 2, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    a side note… it kinda annoys me when all candidates talk about “greed on wallstreet”. Wallstreet is supposed to be greedy: they’re capitalists. Government needs to regulate.

  14. 14 George October 2, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    OK. Does the cutesy-attitude work!?

  15. 15 Anonymous October 2, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    This debate will be pointless if Palin doesn’t accept the terms of the debate.

  16. 16 George October 2, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    Palin cannot talk about the constitution. Or law.

  17. 17 Josh Taylor October 2, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Palin seems to have the looking at the camera bit down. Joe looks tired.

  18. 18 George October 2, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    10.21: Quick note: we can probably take advantage of the embedded timestamps for time stamps if you re-set the time zone…

  19. 19 Josh Taylor October 2, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    This talk right here about health care is exactly the way Joe Biden needs to talk. Facts, clearly laid out.

  20. 20 George October 2, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Biden is posturing for a great finish.

  21. 21 George October 2, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    so palin says she likes answering questions… she should have press conferences.

  22. 22 George October 2, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    No doubt that Palin exceeded expectations. Biden clearly is more knowledgeable and had the winning moment of the night.

  23. 23 D. Roberts October 2, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    Exactly. She skirts the question and goes back to her rehearsed response about energy issues. It’s so obvious

  24. 24 Josh Taylor October 2, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    If she doesn’t know what caused climate change, how can she go about fixing it?

  25. 25 Josh Taylor October 2, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    There is no such thing as clean coal… the American people are dumb.

  26. 26 Josh Taylor October 2, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    continuation of the last thought… gay marriage… two crappy answers.

  27. 27 D. Roberts October 2, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    Sooo did anyone notice how twice now Palin has called her opponent “Senator O’Biden?” Not shocking. ha

  28. 28 Josh Taylor October 2, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Great, home run Iraq answer from Biden.

    P.S. – Palin is speechless.

  29. 29 D. Roberts October 2, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    Oh WOW is she stumbling. “Your… plan… is, uh… a white flag of SURRENDER in Iraq!” She is a broken record, like her running-mate.

    Biden’s answer was solid. And FYI everyone, I am not just slamming everything she says, because I have to admit that (either due to her twang, her forceful tone, SOMETHING) she seems to be a good speaker, a worthy opponent.

    But she certainly ain’t worthy in intellect, sorry to say. Or in preparedness. She is struggling, overall.

  30. 30 Josh Taylor October 2, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    Biden is just nailing this foreign policy stuff… very impressive.

  31. 31 D. Roberts October 2, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    Palin has a handful of old-faithful quotes that she has clearly used rote memorization to commit to her mind. She goes back to the ideas of:

    1. Iraq as ’surrender’ if we go with Obama/Biden ticket
    2. Energy dependence as THE issue of the election, and her state, Alaska, being a leader at the vanguard of this movement (wrong).
    3. This LIE about Obama’s attitudes toward handling Iran.
    # 23 debatable October 3, 2008 at 1:52 am

  32. 32 D. Roberts October 2, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    HA! Biden just said that McCain refused to sit down with Spain, a friendly nation, and Palin’s face turned white like “Oh dip.. what the hell do I say to THAT?!”

  33. 33 Josh Taylor October 2, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Great inflection on “Spain” from Biden… and bringing that up should prove a smart move.

  34. 34 D. Roberts October 2, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    Ecch. What she just said about the Bush administration… how it’s been a success, but then she says “there have been blunders, there have been blunders” (and by the way when she says it with her cutesy lil accent it sounds like ‘blenders’) she is merely trying at once to appeal to everyone; it’s not gonna happen.

    Then she says the Obama-Biden ticket is all about change but is actually moving backward by pointing fingers? That doesn’t make sense, it’s a fallacy in her argument to say that simply by pointing out Bush’s mistakes, Obama ruins his platform of change.

  35. 35 D. Roberts October 2, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    “It’s so obvious that I’m a Washington outsider…” what a loser. Stop beating that dead horse. Then she goes on to imply that the reason she feels like an outsider is because she personally doesn’t do the flip-flopping that Biden has been doing on the Iraq war.. wrongo. When has Biden ever said he fully supports the war, and certainly he has NEVER “agreed with McCain,” in other words McCain who has said we’ll stay there a thousand years if that’s what it takes.

  36. 36 Josh Taylor October 2, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    I’ll say it again, Biden’s well-articulated answers are exactly what he needs to do. It would be very easy to attack Palin (she just gave him a Bridge-to-Nowhere opening), but he just needs to keep doing what he’s doing. The ball is in her court.

  37. 37 D. Roberts October 2, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    Palin just insisted that Biden supported McCain, not Obama, originally in regards to the plan for Iraq… then she has the tenacity to say that “tomorrow, the pundits will start the ‘who said what’ game, and we’ll have PROOF.”

    Interesting she would use/rely on the ‘pundits’ and the media as her would-be friends, since she can’t name a single publication or news source.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/30/palin-a-journalism-major_n_130707.html

  38. 38 D. Roberts October 2, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    Yeah, that’s why New York needs another term of Bloomberg. For real.

  39. 39 Josh Taylor October 2, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    WTF IS SHE TALKING ABOUT? This woman is certifiably insane.

  40. 40 D. Roberts October 2, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    “Say it ain’t so, Joe, you’re pointing backwards again…”
    “Doggone it”

    Sorry to sound like a snobbish intellectual, but this woman can NOT occupy the White House.

    And on that note of the liberal bias by me and apparently ever single person blogging on this site right now, I just wanna add I really do wish some kids from the Midd REPUBLICANS would have done this. Where’s the interest, GOP-lovers? And I’m not just saying that to seem non-partisan… it would be great if we had some conservative views on this blog right now as well as the liberal.

    Like, seriously. We NEED some republicans up in here next time around.

  41. 41 D. Roberts October 2, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    Ewwww she just gave “a shout-out” to the 3rd graders at her BROTHER’S SCHOOL? This woman thinks she’s at a rap concert. Unbelievable to think she might end up helping to run the globe’s lading superpower nation.

  42. 42 Debatable moderator October 2, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    FYI everyone, the posts we’ve done tonight have been great, and besides, we’re rather rushed, so no one can expect proper time stamps, perfect sentences, or completely coherent thoughts, but here’s a great example of what we really mean by live blogging…including the time of the quote you are referring to, especially, is helpful. Just for future reference (since we all hope to do this blogging again next debate).

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/live-blog-st-louis-showdown/?hp

  43. 43 D. Roberts October 2, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    “the consummate maverick”

    ENOUGH!!! Can we get a count on how many times she has said that word tonight?!?

  44. 44 Josh Taylor October 2, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Neither candidate is answering the question. What are they talking about?

  45. 45 Josh Taylor October 2, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Did Joe almost cry just now? That was a great moment.

    Although, it had nothing to do with the question.

  46. 46 D. Roberts October 2, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Love how Biden defends his style, even his idiosyncrasies: “I’m not going to change.”

    Must admit that despite her many, MANY failings so far in tone, verbiage, and rhetoric, Palin, more than Biden, seems to know to look right at the camera, almost into the eyes of the viewers, when she says something meaningful. Biden continues to stare down at his podium– he needs to take “public speaking 101″ again. It really is effective to LOOK at the audience.

  47. 47 Josh Taylor October 2, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    Palin’s closing statement is solid. McCain’s weakness was not mentioning “middle class.” Palin is nailing that. Also, that she and Todd can claim to be a part of the middle class is a big plus. Very good statement.

  48. 48 Josh Taylor October 2, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    Biden’s statement is also great. He’s connecting well.

  49. 49 D. Roberts October 2, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    I’d say Biden won as well, decisively, but certainly no one could say that Palin got wrecked or should even be embarrassed. Simply due to her strong repetition of various themes (or maybe I should say despite her lack of eloquence), she held her own, as everyone knew she would. Come tomorrow no one will be saying that this election isn’t still a nail-biter.

  50. 50 anonomous October 3, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Biden should have stated and taken credit for rightly affording the american public the proper courtsey of actually answering Gwens questions and engaging in a thoughtful debate, or at least trying to do so. Palin did nothing of the sort. She sidestepped the majority of questions; and extremely relavant questions at that. It was extremely offensive that whenever she got nervous she would through in a buzz word such as “hockey mom” and act as if the American people didn’t deeserve the proper respect of getting applicable answers in a VP debate. And the fact that she sometimes put on her cute, engenu-esque voice and claimed that she’s only been doing this for 5 weeks disgusted me so much I had to leave the room. It was almost as if she were using her stereotypical good looks as an excuse not to answer questions. Her actions weren’t that far away from displicable.

  51. 51 Jenkins October 4, 2008 at 10:35 am

    Yeah, Palin really is ‘displicable.’ Brilliant commentary, anonomus!

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